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well I've been looking into UFOs for

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such a long time now and I'm always

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asking myself new questions about this

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field just lately I've been looking at

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revisiting the extra-terrestrial

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hypothesis and if anyone has followed

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this subject they realize the ETH as

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it's often called is probably the most

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widely discussed possibility when we

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think of UFOs with extraterrestrials

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frequently and I would say actually not

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for bad reasons but thinking over that

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long history of this idea it you know

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it's obvious that it's there are many

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many other competing theories as to what

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really their UFO response the UFO

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phenomenon is so I'll be talking about

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this I've done this in a couple of

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lectures lately and I'll be discussing

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it tomorrow at this particular

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conference but basically I think you

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know for most of the 20th century we

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were predisposed to think about

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extraterrestrials let me put it this way

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go back into like our science fiction of

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the 19th and 20th century like HG Welles

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War of the Worlds or even like the Buck

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Rogers comic strips of the 1930s and 40s

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you know human beings what was what was

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our great frontier at that time it was

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it was flight you know we had just

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learned to fly in 1903 so the sky was

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our frontier and then beyond that space

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so I think humans you know we were

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predisposed to be thinking of flight as

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our latest frontier and and then in the

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1940s we become aware of this phenomenon

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we called flying saucers at the time and

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so I don't think it was a stretch for

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people to wonder hmm flying saucers well

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we have airplanes but this seems like

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the step beyond so this is probably our

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means of a means of space travel and and

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and sure enough not only in the public

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imagination but within the military

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itself we know this for sure a lot of

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speculation in the 1940s and 50s did

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Center on what analysts called interplan

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Terry Kraft and this was a phrase that

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they used inter-planetary and what you

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what we found though is that as the

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1960s and 1970s came along

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there were people looking at the UFO

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phenomenon thinking hmm seems a little

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bit too strange for it simply to be

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something as simple as extraterrestrial

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visitors or researchers like Jacmel a

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and John keel in particular who talked

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about other very highly strange aspects

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of this phenomenon I mean valet was

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talking about how it really did appear

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that what we now see is UFOs that

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ancient people talked about in other

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terms like you know fairies and olden

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times and then you have people who

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looking at the early UFO phenomena or

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ancient aliens phenomenon

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wondering you know have have they been

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here all along so if all of these

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competing theories that somehow come in

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and then the whole interdimensional

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hypotheses are these beings from another

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dimension of reality in one way or

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another

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and time travel theories and aside from

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the skeptics you know we just said it's

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all a big mistake or the psychosocial

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explanation that just said it's all in

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your mind and somehow this reality is

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interacting with our mind time travel

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and and some of the more you know

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interesting hypotheses well let's not

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forget the whole black budget you know

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the secret technology hypothesis the in

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everything from following from the Nazi

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UFO program if there really was one you

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know following into today and then

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something is out there as the simulation

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hypothesis which is a fascinating theory

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which basically posits that our whole

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reality is in fact an artificially

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constructed matrix and not just our

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environment but we ourselves and this is

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actually a theory of reality taken

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seriously by a number of very

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interesting thinkers so with all of

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these different hypotheses competing to

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help explain what UFOs are

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you go back to the extra-terrestrial

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hypothesis you think that seems a little

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bit pedestrian doable seems boring and

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so there's this tendency I've found for

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people often to look at the ETH and

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think ah that's really not you know it's

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very simplistic and indeed there have

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been some very strong arguments against

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the ETH you have astronomers saying

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things like well space travel is just

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people don't realize how distant the

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stars are you know for us to get from

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one star to another would take eons and

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so forth all of these are true relating

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to our current technology I just think

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well I think we probably have some

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capabilities that are being developed

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and that may have already been developed

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frankly that might obviate that or get

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around those limitations but when I look

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at the ETH I ask myself what what

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support is there and what I find is I

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think there's a lot of support for it

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and after looking at all of that support

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I really continue to think that it's

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probably the single best explanation for

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this phenomenon not without its problems

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but for example you know I keep coming

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back to what genuine evidence we do have

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relating to this phenomenon let's start

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with the military evidence let's start

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with released government documents I

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never ever tire of looking at these and

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what we know from Declassified u.s.

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military documents is that this

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phenomenon a was real and Israel be

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involved what certainly appeared to be

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mechanical objects of some sort that

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were seen visually often tracked on

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radar sometimes simultaneously looking

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unusual that is disc-shaped frequently

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doing unusual things including shooting

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straight up into the sky and doing other

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types of instant acceleration so all of

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you know it doesn't mean that those

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aren't necessarily time-traveling humans

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from the future I mean I suppose

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and it doesn't mean that it can't be

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interdimensional travelers I suppose

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whatever even that means but it doesn't

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seem to me an outrageous theory that

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these are beings or technology that

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originated elsewhere and when we think

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about not only the vastness of the

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universe but the likely population of

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the universe and when we also think

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about our own developing technologies

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where we are in in other words twenty

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years ago thirty years ago 50 years ago

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it really did seem impossible that we

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would have the ability to make it to

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another star we're now at a point in our

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civilization where this is absolutely

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not impossible not in the least we're

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another generation or two where it

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really probably will be feasible think

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about our demand advances in quantum

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computing think of our advances in just

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computing in general in artificial

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intelligence and so many other Sciences

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that will in my view that make it very

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likely that we'll have some

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breakthroughs we've already gotten the

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mathematics of warp drive down Miguel

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it the math is good so it seems to me

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that our science is catching up very

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rapidly to the whole idea of

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interstellar travel that we're really on

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the cusp of being able to do it and of

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course there are always rumors whether

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they're true or not is another story but

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there have been rumors for a long time

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that within the classified world that

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there have already been breakthroughs

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that are quite significant so when I

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look at all of these different factors

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it seems to me that the ETH the

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extra-terrestrial hypothesis is still

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extremely relevant and something that we

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have to continue to consider for the UFO

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phenomenon but I would say this one

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caveat I think when we talk about

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something like an interdimensional

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hypothesis

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I think that I think that that's part of

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the equation I think that these other

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beings are very likely from elsewhere

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that would mean maybe another planet but

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that they have mastered certain

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capabilities that we have not yet

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mastered so think of it this way we

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understand through our the way that our

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brains are set up we perceive reality a

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certain way we perceive reality

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temporally so through time

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you know we perceive one moment

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following another and we perceive it

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spatially through space we perceive

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space in a three-dimensional reality and

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we perceive time you know I recall many

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years ago observing my dog it was one of

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the big insights of my life about 3rd 30

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years ago I was feeding my dog and

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watching him eat a meal that I just

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gotten out of a can of dog food and my

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dog is eating it happily and I'm

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thinking well he's very intelligent you

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know he knows me he knew that I was

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feeding him he was getting ready for

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that he was excited but he doesn't know

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how the food got into the can he doesn't

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know that we have factories that make

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dog food

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my dog is not aware of such a thing and

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it's not that he didn't know because

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he's dumb he's just a dog dogs have a

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brain they work a certain way his brain

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works great in a lot of ways and it

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didn't it wouldn't understand the idea

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of making dog food so I thought well gee

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Richard you're so smart so your dogs at

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this level of reality you're at this

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level what's at this level and what's at

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that level what's at this level so in

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other words you know we have to

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recognize we have our own limitations to

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what we can understand and that there

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are in all likelihood beings that have

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developed that have that higher level of

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understanding of reality and if that is

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so and if they're interacting with our

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reality it's in all probability I feel

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we're never going to really understand

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what they're about we're never just n

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we're going to get it one of my friends

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and colleagues Michael Cleland who just

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recently published a great book as well

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but I think he put it best he said you

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know for us to try to understand these

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other beings it would be like dogs

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discuss what human beings do when they

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get out of their driveway and go to work

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like you know dogs don't really know

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where we go when we leave the house they

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because they're dogs we love them but

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they're just not going to understand so

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you imagine the absurdity right of dogs

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having conferences what do you what do

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our people do when they go off to when

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they leave the house um and and we might

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just be in a similar situation so when I

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talk about the extra-terrestrial

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hypothesis I think that that is still

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very strong likelihood but but I also

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think we need to look at other elements

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of this is not a simple

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extra-terrestrial hypothesis I think

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these other beings have exceptionally

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well-developed mental capacity and

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probably an ability to perceive space

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and time in ways that we just were

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probably just never going to get and

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that's why I think at times they appear

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to come in too and leave our reality

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maybe they're just cloaking themselves

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in certain ways I mean all kinds of

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possibilities but my feeling about this

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is that the we're looking at a

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combination of extraterrestrial beings

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who have the capability of manipulating

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our reality of entering and leaving our

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reality it's like if we're all in a fish

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pond we're fish in a pond and we live in

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the pond you know we don't really know

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about life on land we don't know that

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there's air above water we don't even

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know that we're in water but you know

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because we're just fish we don't know

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that there's space in the Sun and stars

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and everyone once a while a person will

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come into the pond and the fish don't

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really know what that is

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and I think our pond is our space-time

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reality and so these other things that

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we consider paranormal whether they're

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extraterrestrial beings or other things

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that we're not understanding they enter

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our pond they enter our space-time

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reality and you know we're a little more

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able to understand things maybe than

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fish but we still struggle I think to

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understand this reality that intrudes on

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us every you know every so often it does

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so

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yeah I'm of the opinion these days that

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we're really not likely to grasp the

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full enormity and the complexity of what

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we call UFOs that doesn't mean we

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shouldn't try I think that in the

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attempt to understand this greatest of

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mysteries you know it's the old

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expression you have to shoot above the

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mark to hit the mark see you shoot for

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more than you can achieve but you end up

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getting something and I think that this

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subject absolutely convinced that the

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UFO subject is one of our great teachers

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I by studying it in all of its

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implications and ramifications we're

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we're prying open a door that has been

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locked to us for to help us understand

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the nature of this reality that's why I

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continue doing this so um yeah I mean at

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this point in other words looking into

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the UFO phenomena I'm feeling a little

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more philosophical than historical I've

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spent most of my time in this field

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studying the history of it but it's

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worthwhile for me right now to try to

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understand some of the greater

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implications of just what this is that

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we are dealing with at every conference

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I go to or when I meet with other

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researchers and talk with them it's it's

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valuable for me because I'm constantly

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getting different perspectives on what

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people think is going on there are

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individuals who are convinced that this

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phenomenon is I spoke with gentlemen

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yesterday said it's a spiritual

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phenomenon and after talking with him I

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really started to understand where he's

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coming from I think what he meant was

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interdimensional that's how I interpret

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it and I think there's some truth to

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that at the same time we have to keep in

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mind that this is an absolutely physical

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phenomenon at least at times absolutely

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physical that involves physical crafts I

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think physical beings and indefinite

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interactions with our own technology in

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our own our own infrastructure so

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somehow they are entering our reality

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you know the whole idea of whether we're

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it's really funny you know 20 22 years

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ago I entered the study of this subject

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with the express intention of spending

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two or three months just to figure out

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one question only was this a matter of

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interest to the American national

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security community was it of interest

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ever and if it was of interest why was

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it never in any of the academic history

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books I've ever read even if they were

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interested in it as a mistake

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how would that not be interesting so I

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simply wanted to find out and that was

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22 years ago and it just sucked me right

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in and I've never left and now I'm at

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the point where you know whereas

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originally I thought I'll study us for

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three months and then I'll figure it out

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I'll just have the whole thing I I'm at

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the point now I realize I'm probably

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never really going to figure this out

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it's just not going to happen but it has